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In a couple of days I will be posting ' Evil and God.' Would like you to consider and share your thoughts on that when it is posted.
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Eric
Atheists put own stamp on summer camp in Sierra foothills
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Published: Tuesday, Jul. 14, 2009 - 12:00 am Page 1A Last Modified: Tuesday, Jul. 14, 2009 - 8:49 am
NEVADA CITY – At Camp Quest, campers may not believe in God, but they do have faith in their community.
On Sunday evening, 49 children from across the western United States arrived at the camp nestled in the hills outside Nevada City. It is one of five summer camps in the country for the children of atheists and other nonbelievers.
In a campground in Malakoff Diggins State Historical Park, the campers have many of the traditional summer experiences. They practice archery in the meadow, participate in team competitions and gather around the campfire at night to sing.
Their activities, however, have a decidedly secular twist.
Campers play games that encourage critical thinking such as one called Evolution and another where they are asked to prove something invisible doesn't exist.
Before meals, they learn about freethinking heroes such as Margaret Sanger and Isaac Asimov. Many of their camps songs promote rational thought such as their version of this children's classic:
Twinkle Twinkle Little Star
You're a ball of gas that's very far
32 light years in the sky
10 parsecs which is really high...
Here, it's all about celebrating their belief in not believing.
"It's important for them to have a place to learn how to investigate the world and to not accept what they hear," said camp director Chris Lindstrom of Los Altos. "Plus the kids enjoy meeting other kids from similar families."
It makes them feel a part of a larger community.
Atheism has been a subject of several recent best-sellers, including Richard Dawkins' "The God Delusion" and Christopher Hitchens' "God is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything."
Nonbelievers make up a small part of the population. According to the Pew Forum's 2007 U.S. Religious Landscape Survey, 1.6 percent of the adult population consider themselves atheist; 2.4 percent call themselves agnostic.
Camp Quest, which started in 1996 in Ohio, is now offered in Minnesota, Michigan, Tennessee, Ontario and California. Attendance at the California camp, officially called Camp Quest West, has gone from 14 to 49 in four years.
Campers attribute the growth to positive word of mouth on atheist chat sites.
Soon after the campers arrived Sunday, they gathered outside the dining hall. The children's ages range from 9 to 17. Most campers are from California; some traveled from as far as New Mexico.
After a brief introduction, they heard how Socrates questioned the religion of his day. Afterward, the campers headed inside for a spaghetti dinner. One joked aloud that here, at least, they wouldn't have to say grace.
Everyone who heard him laughed.
Many campers said they were relieved to be with kids from other atheist families.
"I live in a small town and at my school a lot of the kids will flaunt their religion," said Cameron Musser, 16, who wanted to attend the camp to be around other nonbelievers. "We don't have to worry about that here."
Rebekah Hinckley, 12, learned about the camp from her parents, who thought it was worth the drive from Oxnard and the $450 cost of the six-night camp.
While their parents are atheists or freethinkers, many of the children said they are unsure of their beliefs. Hinckley said she is not ready to label herself an atheist.
"I don't really believe in God," said Hinckley. "But really, I'm just not sure."
That's exactly the kind of thinking-for-yourself that is encouraged at Camp Quest.
One lesson in critical thinking involved a campfire story about an invisible monster name Schree. Camp staffers pretend they believe that a monster exists because their parents told them so or a friend who told them about it is really cool. They promise to pay a camper $10 to prove it doesn't exist. No camper has ever won.
"It helps them learn that these kind of arguments don't go anywhere," said Lindstrom. "And that they shouldn't believe everything they hear."
Several campers have been to Camp Quest before. This is the camp's fourth season. Last year was canceled because of nearby fires.
Alexa Garcia, a 13-year-old from Albany, has attended the camp twice. She likes the camp philosophy but also the activities. "I don't consider myself anything right now. I just like the camp," she said.
At 10, Lili Thorson is one of the youngest campers. Her father picked out the camp for her. Lili does not know what she believes or doesn't believe, though. "My dad told me I'm too young to decide yet."
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3 comments:
"To me, it is sad that parents would try to force atheism on their kids in a summer daycamp setting.Atheism and atheists have a somewhat arrogant point of view. How can one person presume to know everything & to be able to prove there is no God? Charles Templeton, a former minister turned agnostic, states in the book A Case for Faith by Lee Strobel (Year 2000) that “The atheist says there is no God. The Christian and the Jew say there is a God. I never would presume to say flatly that there is no God. I don't know everything; I am not the embodiment of wisdom. But it is not possible for me to believe in God.. I am an agnostic” If Mr. Templeton, a famous personality is humble and admits he can't really prove absolutely that there is no God, then what about the in-your-face atheists? It seems to me that they are stating more than they can really prove. Like cynicism, atheism is a bit of an intellectual excuse, why do anything to help the helpless/make the world a better place when you can be an cynic or an atheist and do nothing to help your fellow man?"
Ana
I posted your response to Atheists Summer Camp, Thanks. When I first read the news the first thing that came to mind was hey, they are following US ! Maybe they will response by listening to our logic and reasons why we believe in Christ as our Saviour.
You touched briefly on agnostic and atheist and I would like to expand alittle more.
The basic question is: Is there a God? Answer: 1) Yes-- Theism
2) No--- Non-theism.
Non-theism can be divided into two subclass: a) I dont know if there is a God -- Agnosticism; b) God does not exist ----Atheism
Agnosticism can be further subdivided into i) No one on earth knows if God exists including me---Hard Agnosticism; ii) It is possible for someone to know if God exists, but I dont know if He exists.
It is the soft agnostics that I believe will be more likely listen to our apologetic reasoning.
Bertrand Russell the famour British philospher was asked what would happen when he face God on Judgement Day. His reply: Not enough evidence, God! Not enough evidence. I will not point out the sound, good evidences for God's existence but comment briefly on " EPISTEMIC SITUATION "
Example: when does I see none the same as there is none? If I ask you do you see any cup in this room? After looking around you see none. Your answer No cup. Second example can you see electrons in the room. You look around and say No. In First example I see none = There is none is valid. Second example I see none NOT THE SAME as there is none.
Key here is our limited ability from our sources of informtion like, knowledge, memory, perception etc.
Blessings
Eric
Children of atheists are not evil spawn as you seem to think. Atheists are not evil as you seem to think. WE simply don't believe in the supernatural world and until evidence (glossy photos of heaven, hell or the big sky daddy)comes along to prove otherwise we will continue as such. Simple. These kids had fun at camp. They did all the usual camp things like swimming, hiking, archery etc. just without any mention of the christian god. Infact these kids were shown how to get along with everyone and why that is important. They were shown why asking questions about everything is important and why being skeptical is important. They were also shown how important it is to be compassionate, ethical and honest.
All religious parents brainwash their kids into believing what they the parents believe. In other words they too are "forced to believe".
Atheist kids are not forced to be atheists, however as soon as they are old enough (very important) they are given the choice to believe what they want. (Big difference as opposed to the other Abrahamic dogma.)
My daughter attended this camp so I know first hand what happened there. You have any more questions, don't assume ask. :)
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